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What makes you a high value woman?
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Being a good person, I think genuinely being somebody who cares about other people makes you a woman of substance and makes you a good person.
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I feel men think that value means, okay, she looks good, she can carry my kids, our kids gonna look cute and coochie on fire, like she looked good on my arm, we can walk any place, she can switch it up.
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She needs me.
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And I don't think that's what men should be.
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I think that's when you find yourself in trouble, when you look for that woman.
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And then later down the line you find out, oh, when she when you divorced it and she took all your money.
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Well, that's what you brought her in with.
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So what's she gonna take?
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I make the same amount of money and I don't need you, I want you, I don't need you.
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You don't have that power over me anymore to make me say, well, I can't go anywhere, so I have to put up with whatever he's giving me.
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You hear a lot of men say that women with money, that women that have their own, they're too masculine, they mouth, y'all talk too damn much.
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All these negative stereotypes and these negative things because you also have the income.
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But then you're also a gold digger if you don't have the income.
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So I'm like, so what am I like?
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This is Legra.
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This is Stephanie, this is Cherie, and this is Ivania.
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And this is Timeless and Unfiltered, where we are spilling the tea on midlife one laugh at a time.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Timeless and Unfiltered.
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We are spilling the tea on Midlife one lap at a time.
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That's Lebra and I'm Stephanie.
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I was gonna bring everybody in.
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I was trying to take control cut start over.
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We be going.
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This is like Stephanie.
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This is Sharice, and I'm Ivania.
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And this is what happened when you haven't been together for a minute.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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Well, I wanted to continue our conversation we had about high value men and high value women, if y'all don't mind.
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Because you know, we could have talked about that forever.
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Forever.
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So we have to break it up.
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Yes.
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And so the question is: if a man's value is based on his provision and leadership, then what makes a woman high value?
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And income, right?
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Wasn't that like a big provision based?
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Now, whose definition are we looking for?
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Our definition or society's definition of a high-valued woman.
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So let's uh the only thing we can do is talk about our own experience.
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So what what's what's what makes you a high value woman?
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Integrity.
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I am able to like I think a woman should be able to provide for herself.
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Now, if you want to help provide for me, I can help provide for you as well.
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I think that should go both ways.
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Um I don't want to bring religion into it, but you have to believe in something bigger than yourself, not just be self-focused, not selfish, um giving and then being able to receive and give equally.
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Um I talked about this in my episode.
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Just being a good person, I think genuinely being somebody who cares about other people makes you a woman of substance and makes you a good person, a person of high value.
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Now I feel men think that value means okay, she looked good, she can carry my kids, our kids are gonna look cute, and you know, she got good too.
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She looked good, got that coochie on fight, like she looked good on my arm, we can walk any place, she can switch it up.
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She needs me.
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And I don't think that's what men should be.
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I think that's when you find yourself in trouble, when you look for that woman, and then later down the line you find out, oh, when she when you're divorced and she took all your money.
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Well, that's what you brought her in with.
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So of course you're gonna take it.
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So or if you lose your job, she ain't able to pick up the pieces.
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A lot of women can't pick up the pieces when they're solely dependent on a man, and then y'all all suddenly looking crazy.
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And I feel like um the dentist guy um out of the guy, he killed himself and his wife and his daughter.
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They have a big mansion, yeah.
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Like maybe two weeks ago.
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Yeah, and the rumor was is that he was the sole provider, and they have a big, beautiful mansion.
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But he had, I guess he gambled a lot or whatever.
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And so he just was underwater and he just decided to take everybody out.
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Look, don't take yourself out.
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Because me and my daughter was having a conversation.
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She's like, Well, why would he do that?
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And I was like, he probably feels like they're all I got, and I wouldn't leave them with all the debt and all the headache and everything.
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So I'm just gonna take everybody.
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Men tend to take everybody.
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I don't think it well, I think women commit suicide.
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We don't take your family.
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I've never heard of a woman doing murder suicide.
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I'm not pretty sure his face.
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What's your what's your your face saying something?
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Oh, my face is saying, what happened?
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Where are we going?
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Well, uh, he was the provider.
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He was the provider.
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Okay.
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Because he was the provider.
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And if they can't do that, then sometimes their whole thing is.
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Persona is like, yeah, that's who they are.
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Yeah.
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Especially when other people, other men look at them as the person that has it all together, and now you don't have anything like that shame.
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Oh, and the ego.
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Well, what is it what is it when a woman I'm I'm trying to think of the description that we read, the high value man um last week of a high value man, and of course, the all the integrity, all the leadership, all the things, and then it boiled down to money.
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So now that you have as a high value woman and you have the money, does that make your value less?
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It depends on the money.
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Yeah.
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And who's making the definition?
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Because why is that making us less?
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Because we you've also or we've also been able to accomplish.
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Because I think money is power and control.
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If you don't have the most money, if you don't make the most money, then there's no real power you have over me anymore.
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Like you can't say I'm gonna do whatever I want to, you're just gonna take it.
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Like if I make the same amount of money and I don't need you, I want you, if I don't need you, you don't have that power over me anymore to make me say, well, I can't go anywhere, so I have to put up with whatever he's giving me.
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So you you hear a lot of men, and I'm this is these are all generalizations, you guys.
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Yes, everybody's in the disclaimer.
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We get it, yes.
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But you hear a lot of men say that women with money, that women that have their own, they they're they're too masculine.
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Um they mouth, y'all talk too damn much, you you, you know, you you mouthy, you you know, all these negative uh stereotypes and these negative things because you also have the income.
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But then you're also a gold digger if you don't have the income.
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So I'm like, so what am I?
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Like, it's no in between.
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I want your money, I don't need your money.
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But on social, so the level set a little bit because I I know where you're going and I agree with you.
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I do see a lot of younger women on social media talking about they don't need a man because they have all of those things, but it's such a negative connotation in the way they're on social media and talking about it and just doing the most about it, right?
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That it makes it hard for us who genuinely did well for ourselves, right?
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We fit, we we were forced to, but we fit all of those qualifications that a high-value man sit in, including the income, but we're still soft.
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We still we're still feminine, we still want the things.
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Nothing has changed about us other than we put ourselves in a good position.
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But we have another side, right?
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And remember what we talk about is not everybody, but like we must admit social media sits there.
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And when I watch some of the folks sit on there and talk, it's just like, huh, you know, and so it makes it for, you know, some of the folks that's looking at it like, damn.
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And then we get labeled for what other people are out there doing.
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But one of the things that I feel like that society doesn't do anymore is take a person, look at me independently for who I am, what I bring, what what I'm about, what my worth is.
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That we look at, we just put people together just like you look at us, right?
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Mature women who have our stuff together.
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But we're lumped in.
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We're we're yeah, because we're lumped in the well, how what difference do does it make that we got it going on and we're this side?
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Y'all, you're this, you're that.
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So we we you know what I mean?
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We continue to be just be dropped in this category and category of stuff.
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And I feel like not that I really give a shit, but we we're you know, for the most part, when we're talking about us collectively, why do we have to keep pulling ourselves out of this bucket and you have to do that?
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To be placed into another bucket, and then you're put into another bucket.
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It's human behavior.
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Yeah at the end of it.
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It is, but how do we change the terminology?
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Say, I don't need a man, I don't need a man to provide because I can provide, but I need a man, or I need to be a good one.
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No, I need a man, I need a man if I want to say a man, or I need love, I need love.
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I think we all have to survive off of love.
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Like we may not all need a relationship, we all need love to survive.
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Shout out to Bell Hooks, who's passed away, but I just read the book all about love.
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I forgot that book.
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Oh my god, it's life changing.
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I love that book.
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It is life changing.
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And it's not just about romantic love, it's about love in all aspects, but it is so good.
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It is so good.
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And part of what she teaches, we do need love.
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Like as a community and everything.
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We think of it as some fluttery feeling in your stomach and all this stuff, but no, it is.
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It's part of the hierarchy that we learned in school.
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Yes, it is so much deeper than that.
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So we do need love.
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We don't need somebody to provide for us and do all these things that we think society needs, says we need, but we do need love.
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We need to love each other.
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So genuinely love.
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And I think the the biggest thing for me at this stage was I learned self-love.
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Yes.
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Where, and don't be wrong, I always Legra's always been Legra.
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But the insecurities, being unsure of yourself, being unsure of who you are is younger Legra.
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On the outside looking in, she's confident, she's whatever, but she was so uncertain of herself.
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And I think at this stage of my life, I love me.
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Good or bad.
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I mean, I'm not everybody's cup of tea, but I love me.
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And then I think when you operate in that yeah, that's so you don't take a lot of bullshit when you love yourself.
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That real that realm, absolutely, that I love me, but it took me a long time to get here to say I love Legra.
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I love everything about that bitch.
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I love her.
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Now she got some faults, and she is not perfect.
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Right, and she's not perfect, but to love myself.
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And so for me, a high value man, because I'm in a I'm in a place of peace in my life.
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Um, and it took a long time to get there.
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But I'm in a place of peace in my life, and I don't want anything, and that includes friends, family, a man, anything don't disrupt my peace.
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So when I look for a high value man, it's never it's never been money.
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Even when I was in my 20s, it wasn't about money.
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My mama's name was DeLois, just in case she didn't know.
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Delois didn't play about her daughters.
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She didn't.
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Y'all gonna be independent.
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Not and my mother always had an okay, but she always had her her grind on.
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She was always trying to do something.
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She was always pulling, I hate to say it, she was always pulling her men up.
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You know what I'm saying?
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She was the woman in the background, but that same boss heifers sat on the side of the bathtub and scrubbed her man's hands and feet every day because he he worked in a he owned an auto shop, so he had to grease and stuff.
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So she sat and buffed his hands every day.
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She his dinner was still on the table.
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And when it what dinner wasn't on the table, guess what?
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Sometimes he cooked.
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Because she worked, she was working.
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Uh things.
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You know, so I've always seen that, and she's always raised us to be independent.
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But at the same time, I also feel like that's been to your detriment.
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Right.
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If you ask anybody that's ever dated me what was the best thing about me, they'll say I was independent.
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If you ask them what was the worst thing about me, they'll say I was independent.
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How do you think that plays into this role of being submissive?
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Because I think that should be on both sides.
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Should be men and women, and I think sometimes women, I think men feel that we're not able to be submissive and they want a submissive woman.
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And the definition of submissive is very important in each relationship because it could change.
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But I feel like men also have to be vulnerable and be submissive in certain areas where, say, we have the expertise in something, be willing to learn from us and be submissive in that.
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And then also, you know, we be submissive in certain ways as well.
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So I think sometimes men don't look at it.
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Look, I think the value that they place in women is a woman that can be submissive and listen and you know.
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But I think in order to submit, I have to build safe.
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Safe, yes.
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Yes, to submit.
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Yeah, and you have to be the leader.
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And I have the trust that you're gonna make the right decision.
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For us, everyone's not gonna walk for us.
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I think it's built in us, just to be honest.
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Every woman is submissive.
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Yeah, we're gonna take care of her.
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When she's safe.
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When she's safe, when she's secure.
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When she's yeah, you have to put me in that space.
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If I gotta deal with your bullshit all the time, no, bruh, I'm not submitting.
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And I'm gonna fight you.
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Right.
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Look, oh no, that that's that's definitely look, he said I'm gonna fight you.
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You know, but you have to put me in that space.
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But that's that's the relationship.
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You know, if our relationship don't put me in a safe space, if I'm always on guard with my man, yeah.
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I can't how do I submit to someone that can't lead me?
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God, you can't.
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Because we what's that definition?
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Leadership.
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It ain't it is it's not the money, it's not the money.
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And you see a lot of women that make more money with their men, but those men know how we treat their woman because it's not about the money.
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It's not about the money.
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You don't put me in my feminine space.
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Because believe me, believe me, if I could stop with love in the name of Jesus, if I could stop.
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I would, but I can't because I have to eat.
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Yeah.
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Because you're not providing for me.
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Now, one thing I'm not gonna do, I is I've never been about a man's money.
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I'm a little things.
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I pay attention to the details.
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They do.
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I love filet mignon, y'all.
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Y'all know I'm a snake eater.
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You got me on that.
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Thank you.
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But I don't eat it every day.
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I'm like a hot dog.
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Right.
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And especially if you burn that sucker all the way around on the grill, cook me a hot dog.
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I don't expect you to be a chef, but it's the effort, it's the little things.